"The question is whether Israel is the puppet master—or a useful proxy and client state, wielded by a much larger and more diverse ruling class that benefits from the scapegoat narrative."
DING! DING! DING! DING! DING!
This debate about the "Tail Wagging the Dog" is absurd. A nation of 9M (and falling) "in control" of a nation of 330M is absolute fantasy. The criminal Oligarchy, which consists of every Billionaire in America, 40% of whom are Jews even though only 2% of the US population are Jews, disseminates this lie so that Americans are bamboozled and direct their ire at Israel, not at the criminals who run America.
The extra benefits that Israelis accrue (at the expense of the American taxpayer), including Veteran Benefits for those who served in the IDF but not the US military, are bribes the Oligarchy provides to the Israelis to continue sowing chaos in West Asia.
The usefulness of Israel is about to come to an end. The utter failure of the IDF to accomplish "jack shit" in Lebanon shows that Israelis are just stupid (is as stupid does). The "Jewish Superiority" psychosis was, once again, used by "the man behind the curtain" to pursue goals that are not in the Jews best interest.
The usefulness of Israel is just about at its end. It will no longer exist in the next decade, maybe next year.
Christ isn't coming. But the evangelical leaders don't care. They're collecting too much graft.
One can't help but wonder at just how stupid Jews (who are suppose to be really smart) must be that they fall for this same scam year after year, decade after decade, century after century, millennium after millennium.
"next year in Jerusalem". Maybe someone will write a play called "Fiddler on the Roof"; or a diary of Anne Frank; or a movie called "Schindler's List" to keep the myth alive. /s/s/s/s
I'm a sucker for cat videos. Even when I know they are AI.
It's neither tail or dog. "Israel" is not a useful proxy. The reason that the US deep state became wedded to Clean Break/PNAC/Epstein neoconservatism for Greater Israel is due American Jewish Zionst oligarchs and the clandestine and underworld networks and actors that they control. It's not about a diadic relationship between two nation-states. Zionism is a trans- or supranational oligarchic formation, and the US regime is controlled by networks/coalitions of oligarchs. The neocon Zionist triumph following the defeat of GHW Bush has proven a disaster. The Clean Break wars of the 21st century have brought US hegemony to the brink of collapse.
Sorry, I guess I have to ask what Israel was being used for. If I listen to Berletic, Israel is a fantastic proxy. “Let Bibi do it!”
I dunno, you and Brian need to figure this out.
Between the two of you (with a lot of influence from many others) I find that “we” (the ‘average-man we”) are victims of “End State Capitalism” where “capitalism” has been dominated by Jews for the last century. (not all Jews of course, I just have no way of labeling the proportion I’m suggesting.)
FWIW: I think you might reexamine what “Zionism” actually means.
I guess the best way of making my point would be to ask, "Disaster for whom?"
"American Jewish Zionist oligarchs and the clandestine and underworld networks and actors that they control. "
Let's try to break that down into a more manageable label. While I (think I) know what you mean, Maybe not.
"Jewish Zionist" might be considered by some to be an oxymoron.
I subscribe to the Finkelstein definition of Zionist: "If you have enough money to get to Israel, and you don't go, you aren't a Zionist". While it may seem fastidious to make the distinction, I find the concept very helpful. After all the goals of the so-called "Christian Zionists" are very much opposed to those of "true Zionists". (whatever you think "true" means here.)
Finally, were the US hegemony to collapse, I should be <what?> about it?
I tried really hard to distill my point(s) into just a few sentences.
In no way, should you think I'm contradicting you You've shown us "the way".
I'm just searching for clarity of the message. I'm suggesting you contradict yourself.
(something I do all the time so...) But it may be we aren't using the right words.
Victoria Nuland was a main architect of the Ukraine fiasco. Tony Blinken said he comes to Israel “not just as an American Secretary of State, but as a fellow Jew.” The Iran debacle is a Kushner-Witkoff-Steve Feinberg-Adelson hyena war. We have to call some spades a spade.
Most people are either wildly pro-McCarthy or wildly anti-McCarthyism. Ron Unz explains how Joseph McCarthy was literally set up to distract from the drastic Jewish over representation in Communism and Soviet espionage before/during/just after WW2. A masterful analysis: https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-mccarthyism-part-iii-the-jewish-angle/
The Unz fellow is a rich white guy who worships capitalism and hates communism. He is basically a right-wing conspiracist. He'll write 100,000 word essays with no clear thesis just to make his conspiracist case. Then there are those hyperstructuralists on the Left for whom it is all capitalist class structure with no oligarchic politics or elite conspiracy.
I'm on the side of C. Wright, Mills, Peter Dale Scott, and Michael Parenti--it's structure AND agency; conspiracy AND class.
I don't have a problem that he's rich or white (he's actually Jewish himself). I think he's pinned McCarthy for what he was - a controlled op setup by the AJLAC. Nonetheless, I'd like to hear you debate with him or discuss things with him. I like to listen to you and I like to read Unz and others and make up my own mind. I'm not a political scientist so I'm not going to debate you on structure v. agency. When it comes to Communism, I like Thomas Merton's quote: "The definition of Communism is everyone gives according to his capacity and receives according to his need. It can't work in Communism but it can work in a monastic community."
I also don’t have a problem with him b/c he is a rich white guy. But I mention this because I think it explains his ideology. He has benefited enormously from this vicious imperial capitalist system. Why would he oppose the system that has made him so wealthy? But it is a morally bankrupt and hopelessly corrupt system at this point…Since it can’t be the system—or the oligarchy that’s obviously produced by the system—it must be “the Jews”…or he would say “Zionists” but it fills the same scapegoat function while exculpating the wonderful capitalist system.
You can dismiss him for whatever ideological reasons you choose...I would suggest you read some of his work. He's an extremely sharp writer...doesn't mean you have to agree with everything he says.
As we all know, capital has no 'home', no obligations to be loyal or or any other moral loaden adjective. Capital follows capital interests, always everywhere. To even ask the question who rules whom is a whole useless question. It reminds me of 'what is north of the north pole'.
Since you very convincingly worked out the symbiotic structures of capital, state and organized crime, there is still the obvious; who controls the means of production, controls everything else.
Cultural and religious arguments only try to hide that fact, lures people into wasting their time and energy in those artificial created divisions.
Nazification is only the last and most vicious stadium of Imperialism to undo the contradictions of capital and reverse the inevitable tendencially fall of the profit rate for capital. Marx proved this systemic flaw in his work better than everyone else.
So war is the only 'way out' to reset the board of capital and bring the profit rates back to a level where it suits capital.
Monopoly fights monopoly, oligopoly fights oligopoly since the cake is never big enough for all of the capital class. There is no honour among thieves.
So to ask who controls the hegemon and what role plays Israel/Zionism in all of this is irrelevant.
States are there to be used to protect capital interests. As Israel does that as it was designed to do, there is no question that Israel is a useful variable in the war of capital against humanity since capitalism is in it's very core anti human. In conclusion; only the elimination of the capitalist system will lead to another form of life for humanity. If Israel ceased to exist tomorrow, another entity will take its place and fulfill its role.
It means a belief that all history and politics can be explained by impersonal social and material forces--that the agency of groups and individuals is unimportant because everything plays out according to these larger structural circumstances. It like C Wrigh Mills' flawed ideal type: 'history as drift' or 'history as fate'. The opposite is 'history as conspiracy'.
The book is coming out in Japanese soon...but not German.
Since I am the grand son of a communist that survived 9 of the 12 dark years of German history in two concentration camps due to sheer luck and by the solidarity of his comrades from different countries in the camps, I am certain that history is no fate.
Having lived half of my life in the GDR, I also know for certain that history is linked to people, to people who are traitors, pretenders and some who are well meaning but very naive.
What I've been trying to say is that M-L critiques of imperial capitalism are generally on point. However, with Zionism in the West, we see something where the workings of capitalism empowered a group of capitalists who were partisans of a political project that involved more than mere capital accumulation. They used their wealth and power to essentially seize the grand strategic initiative of the apex of the hegemonic state. The hegemonic regime had theretofore sought to preside over capitalism and to do whatever would make that most achievable. The Zionist neocons wanted the hegemon to pursue the twin insane strategies of Greater Israel and PNAC unipolar full-spectrum dominance with preemptive war. This explains basically the arc of the 21st century and the disastrous adventures that have brought US/Western hegemony to the brink of collapse.
So the question remains how 'we' prevent the collapse if we even want to or let we sink the US into a civil war with as result some redrawing of its borders.
It might sound a little radical but when China is finally potent enough to eleminate the economic sanction system that the US used constantly since their unilateral moment in 1991, I see a serious economic and with that a political downward spiral of the USA.
Maybe Texas, Arizona and California could end up as Mexico territory again or certain states leave the union so we see a balkanisation of the USA, that would include Puerto Rico, Guam and Hawaai go their own way also?
Do you seet hat as a potentional ralistic scenario or too far fetched?
"The question is whether Israel is the puppet master—or a useful proxy and client state, wielded by a much larger and more diverse ruling class that benefits from the scapegoat narrative."
DING! DING! DING! DING! DING!
This debate about the "Tail Wagging the Dog" is absurd. A nation of 9M (and falling) "in control" of a nation of 330M is absolute fantasy. The criminal Oligarchy, which consists of every Billionaire in America, 40% of whom are Jews even though only 2% of the US population are Jews, disseminates this lie so that Americans are bamboozled and direct their ire at Israel, not at the criminals who run America.
The extra benefits that Israelis accrue (at the expense of the American taxpayer), including Veteran Benefits for those who served in the IDF but not the US military, are bribes the Oligarchy provides to the Israelis to continue sowing chaos in West Asia.
The usefulness of Israel is about to come to an end. The utter failure of the IDF to accomplish "jack shit" in Lebanon shows that Israelis are just stupid (is as stupid does). The "Jewish Superiority" psychosis was, once again, used by "the man behind the curtain" to pursue goals that are not in the Jews best interest.
The usefulness of Israel is just about at its end. It will no longer exist in the next decade, maybe next year.
Christ isn't coming. But the evangelical leaders don't care. They're collecting too much graft.
One can't help but wonder at just how stupid Jews (who are suppose to be really smart) must be that they fall for this same scam year after year, decade after decade, century after century, millennium after millennium.
"next year in Jerusalem". Maybe someone will write a play called "Fiddler on the Roof"; or a diary of Anne Frank; or a movie called "Schindler's List" to keep the myth alive. /s/s/s/s
I'm a sucker for cat videos. Even when I know they are AI.
It's neither tail or dog. "Israel" is not a useful proxy. The reason that the US deep state became wedded to Clean Break/PNAC/Epstein neoconservatism for Greater Israel is due American Jewish Zionst oligarchs and the clandestine and underworld networks and actors that they control. It's not about a diadic relationship between two nation-states. Zionism is a trans- or supranational oligarchic formation, and the US regime is controlled by networks/coalitions of oligarchs. The neocon Zionist triumph following the defeat of GHW Bush has proven a disaster. The Clean Break wars of the 21st century have brought US hegemony to the brink of collapse.
“"Israel" is not a useful proxy”
Sorry, I guess I have to ask what Israel was being used for. If I listen to Berletic, Israel is a fantastic proxy. “Let Bibi do it!”
I dunno, you and Brian need to figure this out.
Between the two of you (with a lot of influence from many others) I find that “we” (the ‘average-man we”) are victims of “End State Capitalism” where “capitalism” has been dominated by Jews for the last century. (not all Jews of course, I just have no way of labeling the proportion I’m suggesting.)
FWIW: I think you might reexamine what “Zionism” actually means.
I guess the best way of making my point would be to ask, "Disaster for whom?"
"American Jewish Zionist oligarchs and the clandestine and underworld networks and actors that they control. "
Let's try to break that down into a more manageable label. While I (think I) know what you mean, Maybe not.
"Jewish Zionist" might be considered by some to be an oxymoron.
I subscribe to the Finkelstein definition of Zionist: "If you have enough money to get to Israel, and you don't go, you aren't a Zionist". While it may seem fastidious to make the distinction, I find the concept very helpful. After all the goals of the so-called "Christian Zionists" are very much opposed to those of "true Zionists". (whatever you think "true" means here.)
Finally, were the US hegemony to collapse, I should be <what?> about it?
I tried really hard to distill my point(s) into just a few sentences.
In no way, should you think I'm contradicting you You've shown us "the way".
I'm just searching for clarity of the message. I'm suggesting you contradict yourself.
(something I do all the time so...) But it may be we aren't using the right words.
Victoria Nuland was a main architect of the Ukraine fiasco. Tony Blinken said he comes to Israel “not just as an American Secretary of State, but as a fellow Jew.” The Iran debacle is a Kushner-Witkoff-Steve Feinberg-Adelson hyena war. We have to call some spades a spade.
Nuland didn't architect anything. She implemented a plan that had been under construction for a very, very long time.
Most people are either wildly pro-McCarthy or wildly anti-McCarthyism. Ron Unz explains how Joseph McCarthy was literally set up to distract from the drastic Jewish over representation in Communism and Soviet espionage before/during/just after WW2. A masterful analysis: https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-mccarthyism-part-iii-the-jewish-angle/
The Unz fellow is a rich white guy who worships capitalism and hates communism. He is basically a right-wing conspiracist. He'll write 100,000 word essays with no clear thesis just to make his conspiracist case. Then there are those hyperstructuralists on the Left for whom it is all capitalist class structure with no oligarchic politics or elite conspiracy.
I'm on the side of C. Wright, Mills, Peter Dale Scott, and Michael Parenti--it's structure AND agency; conspiracy AND class.
I don't have a problem that he's rich or white (he's actually Jewish himself). I think he's pinned McCarthy for what he was - a controlled op setup by the AJLAC. Nonetheless, I'd like to hear you debate with him or discuss things with him. I like to listen to you and I like to read Unz and others and make up my own mind. I'm not a political scientist so I'm not going to debate you on structure v. agency. When it comes to Communism, I like Thomas Merton's quote: "The definition of Communism is everyone gives according to his capacity and receives according to his need. It can't work in Communism but it can work in a monastic community."
I also don’t have a problem with him b/c he is a rich white guy. But I mention this because I think it explains his ideology. He has benefited enormously from this vicious imperial capitalist system. Why would he oppose the system that has made him so wealthy? But it is a morally bankrupt and hopelessly corrupt system at this point…Since it can’t be the system—or the oligarchy that’s obviously produced by the system—it must be “the Jews”…or he would say “Zionists” but it fills the same scapegoat function while exculpating the wonderful capitalist system.
You can dismiss him for whatever ideological reasons you choose...I would suggest you read some of his work. He's an extremely sharp writer...doesn't mean you have to agree with everything he says.
As we all know, capital has no 'home', no obligations to be loyal or or any other moral loaden adjective. Capital follows capital interests, always everywhere. To even ask the question who rules whom is a whole useless question. It reminds me of 'what is north of the north pole'.
Since you very convincingly worked out the symbiotic structures of capital, state and organized crime, there is still the obvious; who controls the means of production, controls everything else.
Cultural and religious arguments only try to hide that fact, lures people into wasting their time and energy in those artificial created divisions.
Nazification is only the last and most vicious stadium of Imperialism to undo the contradictions of capital and reverse the inevitable tendencially fall of the profit rate for capital. Marx proved this systemic flaw in his work better than everyone else.
So war is the only 'way out' to reset the board of capital and bring the profit rates back to a level where it suits capital.
Monopoly fights monopoly, oligopoly fights oligopoly since the cake is never big enough for all of the capital class. There is no honour among thieves.
So to ask who controls the hegemon and what role plays Israel/Zionism in all of this is irrelevant.
States are there to be used to protect capital interests. As Israel does that as it was designed to do, there is no question that Israel is a useful variable in the war of capital against humanity since capitalism is in it's very core anti human. In conclusion; only the elimination of the capitalist system will lead to another form of life for humanity. If Israel ceased to exist tomorrow, another entity will take its place and fulfill its role.
Just my 2 cents.
That is a hyperstructuralist explanation of the determinants of US foreign policy grand strategy.
hyperstructuralist?
Sorry Aaron, I will have to look this one up.
Thanks anyway for taking the trouble to answer me, I really appreciate it.
Any chance that your book will be available in German in a foreseeable future?
It means a belief that all history and politics can be explained by impersonal social and material forces--that the agency of groups and individuals is unimportant because everything plays out according to these larger structural circumstances. It like C Wrigh Mills' flawed ideal type: 'history as drift' or 'history as fate'. The opposite is 'history as conspiracy'.
The book is coming out in Japanese soon...but not German.
Since I am the grand son of a communist that survived 9 of the 12 dark years of German history in two concentration camps due to sheer luck and by the solidarity of his comrades from different countries in the camps, I am certain that history is no fate.
Having lived half of my life in the GDR, I also know for certain that history is linked to people, to people who are traitors, pretenders and some who are well meaning but very naive.
Anyway, thanks for your great work!
What I've been trying to say is that M-L critiques of imperial capitalism are generally on point. However, with Zionism in the West, we see something where the workings of capitalism empowered a group of capitalists who were partisans of a political project that involved more than mere capital accumulation. They used their wealth and power to essentially seize the grand strategic initiative of the apex of the hegemonic state. The hegemonic regime had theretofore sought to preside over capitalism and to do whatever would make that most achievable. The Zionist neocons wanted the hegemon to pursue the twin insane strategies of Greater Israel and PNAC unipolar full-spectrum dominance with preemptive war. This explains basically the arc of the 21st century and the disastrous adventures that have brought US/Western hegemony to the brink of collapse.
Absolutely! That analyse is spot on.
So the question remains how 'we' prevent the collapse if we even want to or let we sink the US into a civil war with as result some redrawing of its borders.
It might sound a little radical but when China is finally potent enough to eleminate the economic sanction system that the US used constantly since their unilateral moment in 1991, I see a serious economic and with that a political downward spiral of the USA.
Maybe Texas, Arizona and California could end up as Mexico territory again or certain states leave the union so we see a balkanisation of the USA, that would include Puerto Rico, Guam and Hawaai go their own way also?
Do you seet hat as a potentional ralistic scenario or too far fetched?